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Napa may make way for more 3-story structures
Wednesday, August 06, 2008
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In the Napa of the future, apartment projects increasingly will be three stories and areas now set aside for industrial or commercial use will be used for housing.

Those are likely changes as the city works to comply with state requirements intended to promote more affordable housing.
On Thursday night, residents who want to find out more about how the city maps out the future and who want to participate in the process can attend a three-hour workshop at City Hall.

The discussion will address the state laws, local conditions and other factors that go into planning for an area that has serious challenges when it comes to affordability. When local incomes are compared to local housing costs, Napa has some of the least affordable housing in the nation.
Napa County ranks as the least affordable of 70 metropolitan areas nationwide, according to a survey by the National Association of Home Builders.

The city’s housing workshop is part of a year-long effort to update the city’s Housing Element, a document that every city is required by state law to develop in order to lay out how they will absorb their share of affordable homes. A draft Housing Element will be presented for public hearings early next year.
Currently, a citizens committee is considering minimum densities of 20 units per acre in the city as a way of encouraging housing for people of moderate and low incomes.

In a slow-growth area with high land costs like Napa, higher densities are a proven way of lowering the price of housing, said Marlene Demery, the city’s interim planning manager.

The Housing Element is a multi-faceted document intended to promote a healthy downtown, attractive neighborhoods, housing for people with special needs and greater choice of housing types, said Curtis Susuki, the committee co-chair.

The committee has worked hard to identify locations for higher density housing that will not be in conflict with existing neighborhoods, said Jean Hasser, the city’s senior planner.

Likely sites for multi-family housing of 20 or more units per acre include Gasser Foundation lands off Soscol Avenue; downtown, where mixed-use projects are being encouraged; the Soscol Avenue gateway area, once flood issues are solved; several properties on California Boulevard; and several scattered parcels now zoned for tourist commercial and industrial use.

River Park Center could include housing when it is commercially redeveloped, planners said.

The city’s nine-acre Corporation Yard on Jackson Street is a potential future housing site if the facility were ever moved. A 10-acre industrial parcel at the end of Kaiser Road is also a possibility if the county decides that housing is an appropriate use at the adjacent Napa Pipe property, planners said.

Napa already has experience with multi-family housing of 20 or more units per acre, Hasser said. Lincoln Gardens on California Boulevard is 20 units per acre, while Silverado Creek apartments on Villa Lane are 22 units per acre. The Riverfront mixed-use project on Main Street will have three floors of condos over stores with a density of 37 units per acre.

Because Napa has grown within its Rural Urban Limit for more than 30 years, it is a largely a built-out city, with pockets of vacant land, Hasser said. Increasingly, housing opportunities will be found by redeveloping residential and commercial properties, she said.

Higher densities will lower housing costs, giving people who grow up in Napa a chance to live here as adults, Demery said. The younger generation is more accepting of higher-density living, she said.

Currently, 68 percent of the city’s housing is single-family detached or attached units, while 27 percent is apartments and duplexes. Five percent is mobile homes.

Forty percent of Napa’s population is considered low income, with most unable to afford housing without spending more than the recommended one-third of their income, according to the city.

Compared to most communities, Napa has a good balance between jobs and housing, but this ratio doesn’t tell the full story, planners said. Large numbers of residents commute to jobs out of Napa in order to afford to live here while thousands more commute in to jobs that don’t pay enough for them to live here.

The workshop starts at 6:30 p.m. at Napa City Hall. The public is encouraged to come at 6 p.m. to inspect exhibits.

What

City housing workshop

When

Thursday, 6:30

Where

City Hall, 955 School St.
36 comment(s)

make napa better wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:15 AM:

" I'm moving to Vallejo, VALLEJO mind you! you know BANKRUPT V-Town?

There is no AFFORDABLE housing in Napa. We live in a 1 bedroom shack and pay 895- a month. It's rediculous! I think one of the terms of "affordable housing" for Napans should be just that, for Napans.

Not fly by nighters who have 10 people living in a 1 bedroom cause they can.

I think that one of the stipulations for affordable housing in Napa is that the tenants have to be able to PROVE that they have lived in Napa 5+ years. And even after that, have the landlords make sure that only the people on the lease live there.

That's fair, isn't it? "

make napa better wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:08 AM:

" I would LOVE to even be able to afford a home in West-hood. Can't so these 30+ year Napa residents are going to move to Valle-ho. If this goes thru and they change things, give me a call! "

NAPA66 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:54 AM:

" Even a the lower end scale, life here is not great. I live in a mobile home park that is allowing several extra people to live in small cramped homes. This is not fair to the homeowners who abide by the rules and don't overcrowd. The proposal of 3 story units and no back yards to speak of, how does this make the living here easier? Maybe they can cram more people in those spaces. I know land is valuable, but be aware of what the citizens of Napa NEED. "

marine1/1 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:31 AM:

" make napa better : I heard U-Haul has mid week specials. There is a reason for the five year resident rule. To help keep the riff raff out of our town and that is proving harder to do with the rise in crime the last couple years. Hopefully Vallejo will work out for you. "

Native74 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:53 AM:

" Oh the picture becomes even clearer...pave the way for Napa Pipe's development and the county can then pave/build another 10 acres out. Where does it stop? "

SUSIE-Q wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:10 AM:

" I figured out what the problem is. They just don't want people with low to middle income in Napa. I grew up here and remember when it was affordable to live here. We paid $6,000 for a house when we moved back from Minn. and the house next door to us sold not too long ago for $485,000. There is no way in the world that the little 3 bedroom 1 bath house I grew up in is worth that amount of money. The prices in California are absolutely out of control. I really don't know how people are surviving in the valley. There is no big industry that pays a living wage. It seems to me that all there is in the valley anymore are vineyards. With the cost of gas the way it is, you can't afford to commute to Oakland or SF. I really feel sorry for the low & middle income families in the valley that are trying to survive. If you grew up in Napa and inherited your house when your parents died that is a good thing. Hopefully all the classmates I had at Napa High that stayed in the valley were able to purchase a home when the prices were reasonible. "

chrisf wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Back in Jun I took a 3 story project to the City Council for approval after winning the Planning Commission's overwhelming approval only to be confronted by two Councilmembers questioning the whether or not the project was appropriate for Napa or a good fit for the location that was previously approved for such a project by the General Plan.
If the City wants Builder / Developers to create such environments perhaps they should not make the process so convoluted and time consuming, which by the way adds to the expense of building which is directly affecting the sales price of the homes. "

marine1/1 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Chrisf : Well, at least on that day, our two city councilmembers that confronted you were finally using heads. If you want to build three story buildings, check out Vallejo.With them hurting for money,they would probably put it through fast for you.Unless I'm mistaken, Napa citizens did vote and won for slower growth.What happened to that? That's how city leaders listen to citizens that live here. The city might want Builder / Developers but alot of people that live and work here don't. You guys have made enough money off the city of Napa. "

MP wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:57 PM:

" Keep in mind that housing prices reflect supply and demand....slow growth = less housing = higher cost assuming that there continues to be a market interest in living here. It is tricky to strike a balance between the two mutually exclusive objectives of slow growth and affordable housing. "

chunk wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Is it me or does it seem like there are too many people in Napa as it is? I've seen how much worse the traffic is now than 20 years go. This is just one obvious sign. Everywhere you go there seems to be crowds of people everywhere. More three story apartment complexes isn't going to help that much. The housing is pretty out of control in the Bay Area and California in general. Not a surprise why so many of the young people move out as soon as they can. I recently moved back here but for what? I'm ready to leave again. Peace out. "

reader wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:12 PM:

" As much as I don't like it, growth will occur. My question is . . . when is our city going to put in a rail system to move all of these people around. A light rail system from Calistoga to Vallejo and also to the Capitol Corridor Train would take tens of thousands of cars off of our already clogged roads AND reduce the need and cost of repairing the roads. "

John Richards wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM:

" I don't understand all this whining about lack of 'affordable' housing in Napa. Like it or not, Napa is a very desirable place to live, which means housing prices here get bid up. No one is guaranteed to have housing in a specific location. When I first came to the Bay area, all I could afford was a lowly apartment in Fairfield. People need to make choices and live within their means, not demand that taxpayers subsidize their housing. "

SouthNapa wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:21 PM:

" I live in 3 story apartment complex so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.... "

grannieaj wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:50 PM:

" You can't build enough affordable housing for all the hotel workers who are coming in. You need to pay better wages or deal with more commuters. Building lots of big apartments is not the answer. This is what's happening because of decisions the city council is making. They don't like how our city is now so they're spending city money on things for tourists and hotel corporations. How about building a skate park so young people have something to do? I say lets get some councilpeople with their heads on straight and also get the wealthy companies in this city to pay decent wages. "

nightwatchman wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:21 PM:

" John-- the "whining" about affordable housing is not just people who can't afford to live here. A ton of issues are impacted by the fact that our workforce doesn't live in town, traffic being the biggest one. "

14obama wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:47 PM:

" It never fails ! Once these "Money Lovers" get a foot in the door anything's possible. I know we live in a Capitalistic society,but,does it have to affect whole/wholesome communities? Does it have to take place without the permission of "We the people" ? " When the going gets tough,the Tough get going". It also means the people will only take so much deception before fighting back. So,look out all you 'fat cat' crooks ! You'll get Yours ! "

14obama wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Consider the fact that your mayor is not a "Napan". She's from N.Dakota ! Makes ya wonder why our little town has gone with the dogs,doesn't it ? Who left the door open for these rats ? Busenbark ? "

14obama wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM:

" Three stories ? Is that all ? I think a six story building would be much better. In the summer,it would provide more shade,hence much cooler down on the streets. I'll bet you wouldn't have any trouble getting it approved ! Ask Jill to put it on the agenda. "

make napa better wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:16 PM:

" grannieaj:

There is a skatepark. It's full of drug dealers and homeless. How about the city paying for a security guard for the skatepark we already have? "

14obama wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Marlene Demery should get real as to the young people being more acceptable to higher densities for living in. This,simply,is NOT true ! Even if it was true,these young people become older and less tolerant of crowded living.
She's a perfect example of the "other kind of thinking", the kind that continues to destroy our old way of life.
I think the housing should be next to Jean Hasser's property. What do ya think,Jean ? "

abouttime wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:47 PM:

" The simple fact is that housing is more affordable in Napa than in many, many other places in the Bay Area. If we are to preserve agriculture, which we must do, than up is certainly better than out. High rise housing, more condos and more aparments in the right placees could be excellent.

We need to get way beyond thinking in terms of what Napa was and instead focus on what Napa is. Some of you old timers may not like it. Too bad. The times have changed and you can either change with it or move on.

We have great potential and great opportunity let's not squander it by always talking about how things used to be. "

Raven wrote on Aug 6, 2008 6:53 PM:

" seems pretty simple to me...either you make more affordable housing available in Napa or you have to find ways to accomodate the traffic from employees who cant afford to live here....so which shall it be.... "

amazed wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:10 PM:

" There are 3-story-plus story structures in "old" Napa, like the apartments in the 1400 block of Third Street. What's the big deal? At least it's not six or seven stories, like the proposed Napa Pipe project. "

cpslowine wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:37 PM:

" Y'all want us to live like it was back in the 50s. Why don't we all get out our poodle skirts and saddle shoes? But then you would all complain about that new "rock" music and the "greasers" that are taking your daughters out to the drive in. UGH. You're all too much sometimes. Get with it. The population is growing no matter what we do about it. If we don't build within, they will just put more families in one house which causes too much stress on our plumbing and our street parking. In the 4 houses next to me and across from me I think 3 families live in each. I can't really tell though, but I can count that they have 6 cars for each house. If they can't afford to live in a single family house, I would like to find an area for myself that supports this in Napa. Hmmm- Napa Pipe is sounding better and better. "

reason-ator wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:52 PM:

" If we didn't have too many tourists ( with their resultant traffic ), we wouldn't also need all the traffic from employees who can't afford to live here, would we ? Kind of an UN-double whammy, if not a win-win.

Unfortunately, there are too many wealthy people ( and some not-so-wealthy people ) whose bread is buttered by the tourist industry, and so that's not going to be a popular option. "

abouttime wrote on Aug 6, 2008 10:29 PM:

" If we had no tourists we'd have no economy, no agriculture and we'd be no different than places like Vallejo. Our tourism, wine, food and yes wealth is our great engine of progress. What would you propose as our economic engine....shipbuilding, steel, leather...you're a little late. "

reason-ator wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Wow, I remember a lot of agriculture a few decades ago when we didn't have a zillion tourists.

Now, with more tourists, we get more wineries that can make more money for their wine for themselves. We get more traffic going to those wineries, who don't pay for the damage to the roads, and then we get more drunk drivers leaving the wineries.

That just sounds terrific, and the people who make their living from thi$ are gonna want more of it. Those of us who lived here 40 years ago and commute out of minimum wage valley probably aren't quite so enamored with the wineries taxing us without paying us. "

14obama wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:17 PM:

" The person that wrote this is out ta lunch in the common sense dept.
" If we had no tourists we'd have no economy, no agriculture and we'd be no different than places like Vallejo.
Sounds like someone who lives out a town or isn't affected by the infiltration of the large crowd of 'winos'. I wonder why there are so many newbies to Napa who relish the thought of tourism and the noise and pollution it brings. Sick people,I say ! "

14obama wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Soon,the water table will drop to nothin and all of the valley,as we know it,will be a dust bowl. How will ya like it then,all you "know-it-alls" ? "

make napa better wrote on Aug 8, 2008 11:53 AM:

" As I am soon to be one of those commuters, I resemble that remark! "

14obama wrote on Aug 9, 2008 10:27 AM:

" It's very simple marine1/1. The people of Napa are not united ! It's no wonder we have been hi-jacked and sold out by the rats we let in the door. I'm just as guilty and responsible as all of you ! Don't forget this,"Politicians are professional liars". Always Question authority ! Stop the mutilation of the Valley ! NO MORE rat poop in Napa ! "

14obama wrote on Aug 9, 2008 8:30 PM:

" It's not very democratic to have to prove you've lived in Napa for 5 years. But then........
So,if I was homeless all I'd have to do is have my friends from under the bridge sign an affadavit that I've been under that same bridge all that time ?
I suppose That's simple enough ! "

make napa better wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:31 PM:

" 14obama,

Even homeless need ID's.

I take it you've never been homeless? "

missmarvelous wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:55 AM:

" Hey Napkins,
Provide for your own! Everytime you all blog about something "distasteful" the City of Vallejo has to come up. Why do you think the city of Vallejo is in the condition it is in? From taking and housing all the poor and low-income from cites such as yours and other counties who dont want to address the fact that there is a need for low-income housing. The city of Vallejo should mandate that a low-income person be required to live in Vallejo for 5+ years as someone suggested Napans be required to use a section 8 voucher. We would have to send all the low income people back to their "home towns." Its very expensive to house low income people, section 8 vouchers dont cover the extra police it requires for the crimes committed in low income areas. Good luck with your three story projects. "

jwk wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 AM:

" Affordable Housing may not be available But it seems Cell Phones, I-Pods, Play Stations or X-Boxes, T.V.'s in every room and fast food for the kids and Starbucks, Cigarettes & Alcohol daily or weekly for the Adults.. Maybe some priorities could be shifted or concessions could be made if you WANT to live in this Tourist Trap Town... Maybe everyone could get a second job. Awe, Good Old Mexifornia!!! "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Yes cpslowine I was a greaser back in the fifties. Funny, it seems there are more people wearing poodle skirts to retro dances than wore them back then, but who cares?

I'm going to find a nice charcoal grey and pink 57 Pontiac Bonneville convertible, or a jet-black 58 Chevy Impala convertible (forget the 57, everybody has one of those) to drive around Napa, roll up some smokes in my t-shirt sleeve just to annoy the parents (even though I don't smoke) and pick up my date to the dance. Yes sir, I have the best of intentions for your daughter . . . I'm just not going to discuss them with you.

Unfortunately today we would probably be car-jacked before we got to our favorite 'makeout' spot.

I agree with jwk, there's plenty of expensive footwear, bling, electronic devices etc. owned by people who should make better choices. However, I am completely against legislating good sense. Let people make their own decision on how to live. Just don't try to make me feel guilty about what you choose. I'll do the same for you. "

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