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North Napa project pulled after union pushes for vote
Thursday, August 07, 2008
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Faced with having to fend off a November ballot challenge sponsored by a labor union, a Sacramento developer has pulled the plug on the proposed Kimpton Hotel on Solano Avenue.

At the request of McCuen Properties, on Tuesday night the Napa City Council repealed its approval of the 196-room hotel.
This cancels an effort by Unite Here, a hotel workers union seeking to gain a presence in the local hospitality industry, to put a referendum on the Kimpton hotel before voters.

“Given the circumstances surrounding the referendum petition, McCuen Properties is not prepared to proceed with the Kimpton hotel project at this time,” said attorney J. Robert Anglin Jr., in a letter to the council.
The letter arrived Tuesday, shortly before the council was planning to put the hotel’s future in the hands of city voters.

The pullout is a blow to city finances. Napa had expected to collect $1.2 million a year in bed taxes from the upscale hotel project.
“It’s a big hit,” Napa City Manager Mike Parness said after the council vote. Kimpton revenue had been part of the city’s long-range financial plans, he said.

The union, which does not currently represent workers at any Napa County hotels, mounted a petition campaign to stop the Kimpton this summer after failing to get an agreement that the hotel would remain neutral in any future unionization effort.

The referendum would have challenged the hotel on environmental grounds, asserting that the project’s traffic and noise impacts had not been sufficiently addressed.

Parness said the developer pulled out for a variety of reasons. “They were frustrated I think with the situation and how it developed,” he said in an interview.

The hotel referendum might have been lost on a crowded ballot that includes many other important local, state and national issues and candidates, he said.

“They were concerned about the cost, the uncertainty. They made a business decision,” Parness said.

Owen Li, an organizer with Unite Here, Local 2850, said after the council vote that McCuen’s pullout was unexpected.

“It was clearly a problematic project,” Li said. “What we wanted in November was to have the voters decide.”

McCuen may have pulled out for reasons that had nothing to do with the union’s referendum, Li said. “Maybe they had problems with financing. Maybe they had problems being able to follow some of the conditions.”

The council had approved the Kimpton project on a 3-2 vote in June, with Mayor Jill Techel and Councilman Mark van Gorder citing traffic issues when they voted no.

Councilman Peter Mott said he regretted the developer’s decision. “There is a part of me that would love to put this on the ballot. I see this as an out-of-town special interest (the union) ... forcing this action,” he said.

Mott predicted that voters would have approved the hotel, planned for the site of the Chateau hotel at Solano and Wine Country avenues.

Techel said it was perhaps for the best that the developer would be not forced to spend big bucks defending its project. She noted that developers of Napa Pipe spent $1.7 million to stop a ballot challenge in the June primary.

Parness predicted that this was not death of the hotel proposal. “I wouldn’t be surprised to see them come back at some point,” he said.

The law requires McCuen to wait a year before it could resubmit plans for a similar project.

“I too want to see something new happen there,” van Gorder said. Any new submittal should better address traffic congestion, he said.

This was one of three local measures to drop off the November ballot on Tuesday.

Tuesday morning, the Napa County Board of Supervisors decided not to put a half-cent transportation sales tax to voters, citing the ailing economy and a possible competing one-cent measure to raise the state sales tax. In American Canyon, the city council decided to adopt a new urban limit line, rather than put the proposal before voters in November.
66 comment(s)

Dirty Napkin wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:36 AM:

" AWESOME!!!!! "

wined0wnnapa wrote on Aug 6, 2008 10:50 AM:

" great, unions ruining another project for the simple Joe Hotel Owner. "

marine1/1 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Finally a win for slow growth in Napa. With all these new hotels, stopping any new developement is a good thing I see that to weigh in on any new developement the citizens will have to put it to a ballot.I'm just glad that even after the city council approved the project, the developer pulled the plug. "

hunter wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:36 AM:

" just another union trying to take over the us of a "

pat wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Great, 1,200,000 the city was planning on and will not see, thanks to a union that is not even in Napa. One more reason to vote against ANYTHING that "unite here" supports. "

mikeb wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Great job Union. Everyone must pay your extortion (dues) or there will be no jobs. Brilliant!!! "

casey wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:10 PM:

" GREAT. NOW IF WE CAN JUST GET THE REST TO 4GETABOUTIT. "

candlelight wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Marine 1/1, how is this a victory for slow growth? A crappy hotel is currently there, and a gorgeous hotel was going to replace it. All this is is a big loss for Napa. "

grannieaj wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:00 PM:

" corporations have been running this country for too long! it's time for a change! maybe now the city elites will listen to the people who actually live and work here. and maybe megacorp hotel company X will leave us alone. the city is making a dangerous mistake, putting up all these hotels everywhere. "

John Richards wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM:

" So now the hotel workers have no additional job opportunities to look forward to, and the neighbors get to enjoy looking at a dumpy, run-down old hotel instead of a shiny new upscale hotel. This is a win-win? "

C'mon reg get it right wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Wow an entity that has nothing at stake in this county just knocked out a potential project. No debate no nothing. Just backhanded coercion for not getting what they want.
While I can not say if this project would be good or bad it is alarming what the union did. If you think they did it to protect workers I think not. The union wants money for its coffers. I think their actions were deplorable. It seems like they may have cost us jobs and money for the county. "

kbf wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM:

" NOw maybe Unite should go after the Ritz. "

winemd wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Are the employees of the current hotel even union now? What has the union gained by this? I agree with candlelight. At least this was replacing an existing hotel instead of putting a whole new one up, like the Ritz. "

abouttime wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:28 PM:

" The city is not making a mistake approving hotels. It is what our economy is about....Travel, tourism, food and wine. That is what puts Napa on the map. It is amazing that so of you just don't get that. This project will be back, it will be built and we will not be intimidated by union thugs for Santa Rosa. This is a strategic retreat, a good political move. I look forward to the The Kimpton. "

commenter wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:41 PM:

" I wonder if those gathering signatures were union members or just someone paid (little) to hold a a clipboard? "

John Richards wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:53 PM:

" grannieaj, why do you say the city is making a "dangerous mistake" by allowing more hotels? Do the current hotels have low occupancy rates? Isn't it up to investors to decide if new hotels are a good investment or not? The city gains by collecting considerable tax revenue from visitors, as well as increasing the property tax base. "

Napa Mom wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM:

" wow, the same people that complain about a sales tax to fix our roads don't want a hotel to go in, which would dump money in the city coffers that would come from the tourists. Can't wnat to have the roads fixed, then offer no solution for finding the money to fix them. And wake up people, this was not about a bad project, it was about unions acting like mob bosses. I hope this does come back so we as a community can tell them to go back home and leave us alone! "

grannieaj wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:05 PM:

" what are people talking about? the union wanted to put this to the voters. the company left because they knew they'd lose at the polls. the people in that area hated this project, watch the video from the planning commission and city council meeting. and what's so great about more low-paying jobs for workers? there's enough low paying jobs already. at least they won't be coming to napa for them. I'm glad someone is standing up to the elites.

abouttime: i'm not so sure about all the money for tourism. look at the problems copia still has. what people need to see is how much things are going to change with all the building that's happening - and a lot of the change is not good.

abouttime - are you gordon huether? you use the exact same words i saw him use at city council "

nightwatchman wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:16 PM:

" I liked this project, but the union didn't kill it, they just got it on the ballot and the developer ran. It's not like the Kimpton folks wouldn't have had any money to campaign with.

What's wrong with the people voting on a project? With the rapid growth of the hotel industry in town, maybe it's time for some public input. I hope you all don't complain if someone puts Napa Pipe on the ballot. On the contrary, I think you all would welcome it. What's the difference here? Don't scapegoat the union. "

kevin wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:15 PM:

" Another perfect example of why union membership is declining. All of you that might have worked at the new hotel or have friends and family that might have, should remember who is responsible for losing these jobs. When the union comes asking you to join, just say "no"... "

steph wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM:

" Nice work!
Chalk one up for the extortionist unions! Now there are no Kimpton jobs, and only an ugly eyesore hotel on the corner. The neighborhood didn't lose a hotel, just a remodel.

Nice!

Maybe we should all get together and vote on each others' salaries and vote to place all sorts of demands on all employers and see if we can get them all to flee the state. Then we can all vote ourselves some nice government benefits so it will all take care of itself.

Oh, wait. "

cordell wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Does anyone really think that the Union cared if this hotel was built? They gambled that if they got enough people to sign their petition, Kimpton would cave and agree to their demands. Now the project is pulled and there will be no new jobs, union or not.
As for the people who solicited signatures for the petition, they were obviously hired by the union and paid by the signature. I asked the woman who was always outside of Target about some basic details of the project and she had no idea what she was talking about. Those people make me sick.
Finally, I for one was looking forward to that dump being torn down and replaced with a state-of-the-art hotel. Ever stay at a Kimpton hotel? "

jt wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:28 PM:

" i've worked in restaurants, and for blue collar establishments (when i was 15-19 years of age in st. helena), and have realized as "napa mom" states there are other power structures that are better at controlling situations then mob like unions, so write little tony a check the accountant can't refuse, and have these dons raise the napa skyline... would be position of the day on this blogist blog. "

workerbee wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Unions, the people that brought you weekends, are trying for living wages for their members. When corporate CEO's make 100 to 1000 times their lowest paid employees, there is a real problem. It's greed. Until the people unite and refuse to work for minimum wage this will continue to happen. Somehow the corporations and the politicians have convinced working people to vote for the interests of the very wealthy to increase their wealth -on the backs of the workers. Read "What happened to Kansas" fascinating story about misleading the people for corporate gain. In that case WalMart and the BushCo election of 2000. The people need to do more than watch TV and accept all that it thrown at them without question. This is Amerika of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations. Hotels make serious profits, have you read their room rates lately? Think, people - and vote for change, whoever it may be. "

realist2 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:03 PM:

" I am with you, abouttime and candlelight... Do the rest of you think the employees at the Chateau are making a fortune? At least with a Kimpton the clientele would be of a tipping income. If this project does not come back you will see the likes of boarded up windows at the Chateau and then you will all be complaining at the city to do something about the "eye sore". "

Cadence wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:08 PM:

" All of you who read the paper today probably also read it a few weeks ago when the Register described the union's involvement in the signature gathering. A lot of signers didn't even know there was union involvement!
People signed those sheets because they didn't want the expected traffic.
A lot of us feel steamrollered by moneyed interestsand too rapid growth and this was a chance to say no.
I guess this also means Kimpton didn't believe their project was worth 1.75 million to change the outcome.
Oh, well
p.s. Moneyed Interests, steamrollering locals probably won't do a lot for how welcoming those locals are to the incoming hordes of tourists. Just a thought. "

raybo wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:42 PM:

" I hope Mr Li is happy. And out of a job. "

napablogger wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:04 PM:

" The Kimpton will open in Singapore, then the unions will complain that all our jobs are being shipped overseas and demand "fair trade" agreements that will kill the rest of the economy.

Yes, the corporations must be tamed. And so better your appetite for food. "

reason-ator wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:42 PM:

" So the city is complaining because the chickens they counted didn't hatch ?

Excellent foresight.

I was down at 3rd and Soscol, and looked at that monolith that blocked the horizon. A few more of those money-making decisions, and we might as well develop subdivisions in the hills on the edge of the valley, because nobody will be able to see the hills for the hotels.

I personally don't care if Napa is 'on the map.' If Napa wasn't on the map, we would have fewer drunk tourists tearing up our roads. "

WorksInNapa wrote on Aug 7, 2008 6:20 AM:

" workerbee - Union bosses get paid much more than the workers so I don't understand that argument. The Hotel would provide jobs which may get some people off the streets and working for a living. Even at low wages that would be a start for them. If the hotel were built then the Union would have a chance of getting new members. Now it has no chance. I think they shot themselves in the foot and shot Napa in the foot at the same time. "

Cadence wrote on Aug 7, 2008 6:58 AM:

" Do hotels really pay for road maintenance? I thought road funds came from the local share of the gasoline tax.
Once again, the state is considering suspending props 42 and 1A and redirecting local gas tax money to the state general fund.
All of the hotels on the planet won't change the state's budget dilemma. In fact, the hotels' creation of more and more low-paying jobs (translation: jobs that require state money to subsidize worker healthcare, worker housing, worker daycare and transportation, and of course paying a lot of the way for workers' extended families) serve only to exacerbate the state's budget woes.
Meanwhile, as Napa single-mindedly chases its own vision of touristy quaint, local residents will be forced to drive out of town for very basic services and shopping. Soon they'll also need to drive out of town if they want to see anything beyond walls of high rise buildings. And drive they will, as no public transportation realistically exists to efficiently move them around. Hotels galore won't change this fact. "

Napa Mom wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:15 AM:

" worker bee - if you want to earn more money, work hard, get an education and better yourself. I don't have anyone legislating what I make or paying off my student loan I had to take out to get a degree. As I said, I hope the Kimpton comes back and we can tell the mob where to go. If the workers that eventually end up in the hotel vote to go union so be it, it should be the workers decision, not the bully unions. "

jwk wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:15 AM:

" And all the Union's and Their Members that are forced to vote for which party??? Let me give you two guesses, but you'll only need one. The Party that is against capitalism, promotes socialism, wants to tax only their so called rich yet, dispurses us in the middle and middle upper classes money to the illegals and undeserving and is Anti-Militay.. The Demoncrats!! "

funnyme wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM:

" I'd say good for Kempton...
"...Hey, you say I have to deal with all these nonsense brought up by a bunch of union guys and signature collectors who most likely are not even residents of Napa County? I'll be taking my investing money out of here until you NCC have a better control of what and how business are done...See ya!"

I'm GUESSING that's pretty much how it went down.

Too bad, I was really looking forward to visiting that new scenic bar! "

dominus wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM:

" This is a classic case of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater." There is no winner in any of this. The developers lose, the workers lose, the community loses. So, is the hotel workers union - happy now?? "

LMW wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:26 AM:

" and all the little birdies telling every investor at play time, the whining that goes with our county. Be careful. Birdies flock together. Say goodbye to those dollars.

I wonder whose job is on line "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM:

" It is a shame that the Kimpton was cancelled due the efforts of a union. The unionization of a business should be between the business and the public. I have managed too many union employees to believe that service is their number one goal.


Maybe we should mount a letter writing campaign against "Unite Here" to tell them to stay there.\!



Local 2850 Oakland
Wei-Ling Huber
President
405 14th Street, Suite 164
Oakland, California 94612
Tel. 510-893-3181
Fax 510-893-5362 "

abouttime wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:31 AM:

" This is not a political issue. This is a common sense. Thug union organizers from Santa Rosa come into town, hire paid signature gatherers, make a false alliance with the NIMBYS and try to kill a very worthwhile project to set an example.

I assure you it matters not at all to the union what the neighbors think. They will use whoever is convenient for them to use.

Problem is the developer and their attorneys are smarter. Why risk an election or the money. Wait, come back, broker a deal or hold an election at the time when you won't have a 90% turnout. It's good strategy. This is hardball business.

Kimpton is a great group, it's a good project. It will get done. "

funnyme wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:38 AM:

" freeport56,

Thanks for the info, I am typing mine now. "

gordon huether wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Well, there ya go folks ... the union wasn't invited to the party so they ruined it for everyone. Union organizers coming from out of town to tell us how we should do things is outrageous. Those of us that live here, even when we don't agree, should be able to figure out our future without the meddling of out of town unionizers.

Granniesaj: No, I'm not hiding behind the blogger name "abouttime". When I have something to say my name will be on it. "

shareathought wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:45 AM:

" "Faced with having to fend off a November ballot challenge sponsored by a labor union, a...developer has pulled the plug"

So, if we read it in the paper, we know the truth, and that is that it is all the union's fault (not that this particular company could have over-extended itself, as have many individuals, companies and even communities, reported on the news over recent months).

Or are some blaming the unions for "a blow to city finances." (because) "Napa had expected to collect $1.2 million a year" We must keep teaching our kids, it is always some one else's fault.

"A lot of signers didn't even know..." often, those helping to get a measure on the ballot aren't sure what the issue is. They just believe we all have a voice. "

musikluvr wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:53 AM:

" The hotel employee union went to the ballot and ended up losing its jobs. Is that poetic justice? "

y2kcbr wrote on Aug 7, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Abouttime...

Totally agree with you. As a former Kimpton employee in the City, the hotel will be a great addition to the Valley. I have a feeling that we will see Kimpton project re-visited soon (say after Nov.). Bill (Kimpton) is probobly rolling over in his grave (he was a former Napa resident)

It is a HUGE blow to the City tax. "

jwk wrote on Aug 7, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Unpopular as it may be to The Tourist Industry, The Mayor, Some of The Big Wigs in the City of Napa, some Councilmembers and Big Developers, Can the same thing happen to "Putting on The Ritz"??? Some of us Old Time Napans and "NIMBY" types are smiling!!! "

notpc wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:53 PM:

" This was a good project. It would have replaced a n old run down hotel with a new hotel . There would have been no change for the surrounding neighborhood except during the constructuion phase and the restaurant would have benifited from having more hotel visitors . Its a shame the union scammed the public when they should have supported the project and allowed the workers to decide if they wanted to unionize at a later date. Now they have angered even pro-union residents by interfering with a good project that would have increased revenue to the City. "

steph wrote on Aug 7, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Yes, we all have a voice.

Unfortunately, we don't all engage our brains before using our voices. "

napagolfdude wrote on Aug 7, 2008 6:32 PM:

" Another example that unions have outlived their usefulness and only drive up wages and cause loss of jobs. 50 years ago unions were needed because of bad employers. Now with all the employment laws the govt provides all the safeguards so the unions are only there to collect dues and have become big business.
What a shame for Napa to lose those jobs and for the city to lose $$ we need so badly. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Follow the money trail:

Napa collects $1.2 million a year in bed taxes but residents pay to support the low wage workers whose wages are not high enough for them to support their families. The costs go far beyond the actual employee. The costs of food stamps, medical care in the form of Medi-cal and Medicaid, and housing all come out of the pockets of taxpayers. There are also greater social costs such as higher crime rates among those who don't make enough money to survive. We might gain $1.2 million but hidden costs probably amount to more than that, depending on the costs of medical care and increased police surveillance etc.

Just take a look at what has happened to Queen of the Valley Hospital. They are laying off 100 trained employees partly due to people who cannot afford to pay their medical costs. Those who use these services are the people who are working at low wage jobs without a union to protect their income and benefits. The effects of a low wage worker has trickled down to affect skilled workers.

So people can complain all they want about how the city won't be gaining $1.2 million. The money can either be distributed primarily to corporations or those corporations can learn to share. By sharing, they are giving the employee at the bottom of the wage scale a high enough salary and benefits to be self reliant.

One way or another, we pay for it. A chunk of money is distributed to the city, a chunk is taken from taxpayers. It's time for corporations to pay their share and quit dumping their baggage onto middle class taxpayers in a way that is so deceptive, the association is difficult to make. "

Raven wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:01 PM:

" so...just wondering how many of the people here railing against how evil and bad unions are have actually belonged to a union....?...not repeating tales from Uncle harry or Aunt Sue but actually belonged.....

lets see...unions led the fight the 8 hour day, the 40 week, ending child labor, improving safety conditions at the workplace, health benefits...the list goes on......have some become bloated and corrupt?..absolutely, but they have done heroic work for the American laborer and continue to do so in many cases....remember Cesar Chaves?

many of the benefits you enjoy at your non-union job were set into place to make it to attractive for workers to invite union representation...

and there is still work for unions to do.....how many of you have contracts where you work...if you dont, you could walk in to your office tomorrow and find out that, for no reason, or even an explanation you have been cut loose, fired, laid off...downsized....maybe a union wouldnt be so bad? "

WorksInNapa wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:48 PM:

" I can follow the money trail all the way to the unions. They want those dues - period. Forget that a skilled person who does not wish to support the union's goals will still have to pay union dues to work in a business which has a union contract.

Which would you rather have - 100% tax support for the unemployed or much less support for those earning their own monies. Who is more likely to commit crime - those with lots of free time and no job or those whom work 8 hrs a day and who can have some pride that the money they are spending was earned. Who really pays when corporation cost go up? They just up their prices and we all - the poor to the rich feel the sting - and the poor will feel that sting the most.

The lost of this project means lost jobs and lost taxes for the citizens of Napa. End of story. "

napablogger wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:39 PM:

" This whole meme, whole idea that tourism pays less is false. What else are we going to get that pays more? Gradually all manufacturing is going outside our borders, and the manufacturing we have left doesn't pay any better than tourism, sometimes less. It won't be coming to Napa anyway.

Also, hotels hire a lot of people with high school or less educations, and for the level of skill and education they pay well.

There is good advancement in the hotel and tourism industry in general.

You could get another Dey Labs say, but those jobs require high levels of education and skills. You can't compare hotel jobs with that.

Getting another Day Labs means jobs for elite top college grads and not for average working people. If you go for that kind of employment, that is going to continue the trend of an expensive high end community, which is what some of you seem so upset about to begin with.

Napans need to face the fact that Napa is going to change one way or the other, and it is either going to get worse or better.

The truth is that the wine industry is the goose that has laid the golden egg for Napa, many tourism jobs can be had by those without top college degrees with good pay, and the tourist industry cannot be shipped overseas.

We are positioned well to compete in the global economy which is here whether you like it or not. "

napablogger wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:46 PM:

" Raven, all those things happened decades ago. If that is what they have to offer now, they are useless.

You suggest unions could save your job for you if you got laid off. That hurts the economy when unions do that. It is a huge problem in Europe, because unions destroy a companies flexibility to change when times change and markets change.

One of the key reasons that the American economy does better than any other large economy is its flexibility, and not having a lot of unions helps that. Forcing a company to keep workers that are no longer profitable hurts the company and in the long run hurts the workers.

Things always change, and unions are conservative in that they want the companies to stay the same because that suits their needs, no lay offs, no fireing workers, no closing plants to relocate and retool, etc, etc.

Workers are better off with fluid business that changes and adapts over time. But that means the workers have to change and adapt, learn new skills, move sometimes, etc etc. People are lazy and don't want to do that, or they feel secure in what they have. But in the long term it doesn't work.

If you allow the businesses to work, to stay off them with the rules and regulations, they do much better and organically pay workers more and have more jobs. "

John Richards wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:58 PM:

" grannieaj, if this had gone to the voters, the Kimpton folks would have needed to spend a lot of money in order to publicize their side of the issue. In the previous election (about Napa Pipe) the winning side spent 1.4 million dollars. Maybe Kimpton doesn't have that much extra cash to spend on it.

I fail to see what the union gained by their actions in this matter. "

John Richards wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:09 PM:

" workerbee, don't be naive. The push to put this issue to the ballot was not carried by rank-and-file union members, but by a few union bosses who were hungry for a bigger union membership, thereby justifying an increase in their own salaries. Their strategy was to intimidate Kimpton into agreeing to their demands. Well, that sure backfired. Tell me, how are rank-and-file union members better off now that the project has been killed? "

steph wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:33 PM:

" [raises hand] Me! I worked as a union member, though not by choice.

My income was largely dictated by two things: 1) supply and demand of workers who could do what I did. Supply was low, demand was high. 2) the progressive and fair-minded thinking of my employer, a big-name employer here in California whose management takes a great deal of pride in workplace diversity and dignity. Honestly. And the fact that THEY do it means anyone who wants to hire people who do what I did, had to compete for employees.

I watched (and continue to watch) the union protect bad behavior, like sick-time abuse, much to the disgust of employees who do NOT abuse their benefits. It is very difficult to remove a union employee even when that employee is not providing good value to their employers. All the while the union skims monthly dues from all the good employees and does nothing to reward their GOOD behavior.

Those of you who love to advocate for "living wages" need to study their link to unemployment and inflation. "

steph wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Oh, another favorite of mine is when unions mandate promotion by seniority rather than ability. That's a good one.

Or when one person wants to cut their commute time and work 10-hour days, ALL union members have to vote on it rather than allow the employer and employee to work out a system that is mutually beneficial. The unions know what's best.

I will say that public employee unions seem to be pretty good at insuring wage and benefit inflation for government employees--and assured employment no matter what, no matter how incompetent or nonproductive an employee may be. They must really like that. Of course, the taxpayers can't afford it, but that's the breaks, right? Who gives a care about the TAXpayers.

And don't try to get any legislation passed that is good for taxpayers that the unions don't like. You can forget about that, it won't happen.

And if you don't want to belong to a union where you work, but it's a union environment--tough. Too bad. The union--not the employer--runs the place whether you like it or not, and you're now a contributer to the Democrat(ic) party. Fork your dues over pronto. Don't work too hard, though. That won't be necessary. The employer exists to serve the employee. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Perhaps the answer is requiring ALL businesses to buy into health insurance policies for ALL employees, including part time workers. Unions would not be such a necessity if healthcare was provided to all employees.

Employers who hire part time do not have to provide benefits. As a result, and I'm guessing that this is especially prevalent in the hospitality industry, the costs of social health care are passed onto taxpayers as well as the healthcare institutes who are legally forced into a "loss of income" situation.

Part time employees are not making enough survival income, even when the salaries are increased because the employer makes certain they remain in the part time category. However, if the laws changed and part time workers were entitled to health care insurance, employers would quickly respond by increasing their level of full time employees. Full time employees with healthcare benefits are happier and help sustain a healthier economy. "

Raven wrote on Aug 9, 2008 11:00 PM:

" Unions are like any other organization, they are only as good as the people in them. If you don't like what your union is doing, the organize with like minded people and take control of it. "

WorksInNapa wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Raven: Unlike unions, most other organizations will allow you to quit and still continue using your skills in your place of work. Unlike unions those other organizations won't punish you for saying negative things about them or for eating a Hersey's bar or walking into a Safeways during a strike or some other weird thing for which the unions have punished their own members in the past.

An Oakland group helps to chase off this hotel project. Do we really want Oakland values pushed onto Napa? "

Raven wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:54 PM:

" My statement stills stands...if you don't like the way it is being run, do something about it.....and are you saying these things happened to you...what did you do about it?

As for Oakland values, if someplace has values that agree with mine or are something I want to follow...doesn't make a bit of difference where those values come from.....and in a city the size of Oaklnad I am sure i can find a value or two worth emulating......or are you saying there is nothing of value that can ever come from Oakland? "

AO1982 wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Are you serious? The town would rather have that ran-down, low occupancy, Chateu hotel there then a nice upscale property. How rediculous! "

jwk wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Just FIX IT UP and They will Come!!!!! There's a Glut of Vacant Hotel Rooms every day here in Napa at least, and no reason to throw out another Large Scale project until Occupancy rates hit somewhere near even 90 to 95%.. Get a Grip!! "

cathyodom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:33 PM:

" jwk- probably give it a year, and Kimpton's or another hotel will be back. Kimpton's may go to St. Helena or Sonoma or Yountville instead. It's not that bad of an eyesore guys, it's painted and kind of clean. Probably looks better than the painting at the Ranch Market/Osprey's center with - what is that- yucky green? I go over there almost every day anyways and still shop there. "

realist2 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:07 PM:

" JWK says..."There's a Glut of Vacant Hotel Rooms every day here in Napa"...Really? When is the last time you tried to book a room? I have family coming to town next month and there is nothing available. "

lola wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:44 AM:

" We didn't need another hotel or more jobs in Napa when the existing ones are practically giving away rooms because the market is so soft! The projected additonal taxes would never have materialized as the projected revenue was pie in the sky. We more badly need affordable housing and that should be the project pursued. If there were fewer lodgings, the other ones could charge more, hire more employees at better salaries and we would have fewer tourists driving on our roads and drinking our limited water!! I hope the union nows visits the Westin and the Ritz to stop them. "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 14, 2008 5:21 PM:

" the signature gatherers were paid for their efforts. I say make it illegal to pay pettioners in Napa. No constitutional rights violated, we just ouytlaw the job. "

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